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Searching for info:Charles Rice or Evie Laura Williams Rice.

Lindi Jo Lindi Jo

posted on March 29, 2011 and updated on March 29, 2011

Searching for info:Charles Rice or Evie Laura Williams Rice. Also Evie’s sister was Maudie Ola Rice, whom i have attached a link about that metions the Choctow Nation..Their daughter is my late grandmother Ruby Ola rice.. They were either born or buried in Tushka Cemetery, or Atoka or Pontotoc counties in OK..I am trying to establish if I am of Choctow descent.. Any info would be welcomed.. Blessings to all. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=28393629

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 30, 2011

charles rice m. evie laura williams, sister maudie ola rice
ruby ola rice b. ?

maudie ola rice Birth: Jun. 1, 1877
Death: Mar. 6, 1969
She was born Ola Williams, June 1, 1877, in Selma, Alabama, and was married to Benjamin J. Jones. May 10, 1896, in Salem Arkansas (incorrect, married in Allen, Seminole Co, Choctaw Nation. I.T.)

no dates, no specific location, no children.

the choctaw nation was a location in indian territory. there were many reasons that someone might live there. see information about the oklahoma land rushes. oklahoma became a state in 1907.

since she was born in AL, you might look at the mississippi choctaw or MOWA tribes.

1900 United States Federal Census
about Ola Jones
Name: Ola Jones
Home in 1900: Township 5, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory
Age: 22
Birthplace: Alabama
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relationship to head-of-house: Wife
Spouse’s Name: Benjamin Jones
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Jones 29
Ola Jones 22
Clarence Jones 3
Clyde Jones 1
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 5, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: T623_1851; Enumeration District: 79.
1910 United States Federal Census
about Ila Jones
Name: Ila Jones
[Ola Jones]
Age in 1910: 32
Estimated Birth Year: 1878
Birthplace: Alabama
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father’s Birth Place: Alabama
Mother’s Birth Place: Alabama
Spouse’s Name: Ben J Jones
Home in 1910: Justice Precinct 5, Bell, Texas
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Ben J Jones 57
39
59
Ila Jones 32
Clarence Jones 12
Clyrie Jones 11
Winnie Jones 8
John Jones 6
Crabill Jones 4
Barry Cunningham 35
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Justice Precinct 5, Bell, Texas; Roll: T624_1530; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 0015; Image: 680; FHL Number: 1375543.
all children were b. OK, so the migration to TX was within the last 4 years.

1880 United States Federal Census
about Manddie O. Williams
Name: Manddie O. Williams
Home in 1880: Perryville, Perry, Alabama
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Birthplace: Alabama
Relation to Head of Household: Dau (Daughter)
Father’s Name: Frank Williams
Father’s birthplace: Alabama
Mother’s Name: Millie Williams
Mother’s birthplace: Alabama
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Keeping House
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Williams 25
Millie Williams 26
Beuoh Williams 5
Manddie O. Williams 3
Homer Williams 1
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Perryville, Perry, Alabama; Roll: 28; Family History Film: 1254028; Page: 400C; Enumeration District: 87; Image: 0281.
you can correct the ancestry name index so that others can find your family.

not having any dates for evie laura williams or any locations is very difficult, when searching for the family. it appears that evie might have been born after the 1880 census. the 1890 census was mostly destroyed. so the only census where she might have been living with her parents would have been 1900, but with no dates or locations, and with a common surname, the search gets extremely difficult.

i will try to go backward. hopefully i can find ruby ola rice. then go backward in time.
that didn’t work.
Social Security Death Index
about Evie L. Rice
Name: Evie L. Rice
SSN: 454-36-9342
Last Residence: 75223 Dallas, Dallas, Texas, United States of America
Born: 19 Feb 1896
Died: 15 Mar 1975
State (Year) SSN issued: Texas (Before 1951)

this is still very difficult.
with no location, i am having a lot of trouble.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

there might also be some other tribal heritage in AL. geographic location is important, so look at the maps.
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html
http://www.aaanativearts.com/tribes-by-states/alabama_tribes.htm
map here

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/alabama/
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/alabama/alabamaindianhist.htm
http://500nations.com/Alabama_Tribes.asp