Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma

The Great Seal of the Choctaw Nation

1896 app

shawn acker shawn acker

posted on March 13, 2011

hello, i have located a name on the 1896 applications of ‘john w hill’ “my grt granadather was john william hill and was said to be part cherokee or choctaw”. so i orderd the packet a it was an appeal , that family was admitted to the choctaw nation. weather it is my grt grandarthers or not i cant find them on the dawes “why” are they not citizens ? or is there some mix up and they were not put on there. and could i still apply i it is my family? any help appreciated.
thanks, shawn

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 13, 2011

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906 and it gives the names of applicants. this is a very common surname, common name. you didn’t give the names of your family. but tribal rolls after that period of time do not include names of family that were born later.

did you find your family on the 1900 census? there are 74 john hills living in indian territory/oklahoma in 1900 and i cannot guess which one might be your family. there are 33 john hill records on the dawes roll.

i would suggest that you find your family on the census so that you know the family members that were alive at that time, where they lived. and then compare your family to the john hills on the dawes roll.

use this link:
if you have a family member that has a less common name in 1900, you might want to search for that name on the dawes roll. still, if you look at the john hill records, click on the # in the card column and see the family group. pay attention to the things like MCR, which might indicate that the family applied but were rejected. if the oklahoma historical society doesn’t list them, they were probably not accepted as tribal members.

there is more than one tribe in oklahoma too. the dawes roll gives the applicants names to the five major tribes. but there are several tribes in indian territory at that time. location will be important.

MCR=mississippi choctaw rejected. mississippi choctaw is a separate tribe, links in this post.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname,

you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden

name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate,

your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone

passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for

a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death

certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary,

newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local

public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and

pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census

records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public

information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for

enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have

documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of

tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had

to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other

names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially

this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other

oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.

NARA federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and

texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records

for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:

MOWA tribe
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail:

other choctaw tribes:

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes

oklahoma tribes:

some links for the choctaw.
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will

improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get

the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a

record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages

in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google

for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, and request the

choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

shawn acker shawn acker

posted on April 29, 2011

thank you for your reply, i still cant figure out why this family was admitted to the choctaw nation (according to the 1896 app) but i can not find any record of them on the dawes via .
i did find him on the 1900 census in pope co arkasas withhis wife nancy and child . they were married in ok. i think pawnee? and their child emmit was born in ok in 1895 . i know they lived in pawnee ok in 1903 thats were my grandfather george hill was born. then moved to okemah for good, my grandmother still lives there in creek nation. anyway i am still learning geneology so any help would be welcome:)
thanks, shawn

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on May 1, 2011

i don’t know why they were admitted or if they just applied and were not admitted.

in the late 1800’s, early 1900’s, there were oklahoma land rushes.

i don’t see any native john hill records of someone married to a nancy. so i am wondering if they were not on the dawes roll. there are many john hill records on the dawes roll but this is because it is a common name. you have to match dates, locations, children and spouse to records in order to be more certain that they were the people in the records.

many people moved to oklahoma for business opportunities. this was not uncommon.

genealogy has a language. we use dates, locations, children and spouse to match records. you have to collect documents, such as birth record, marriage record, death record. census records may help considerably, as they contain relationships, names, dates, locations. i often start with the death and work backwards in time. childrens’ records point to the parents and fix the family to a particular date and location.

if you get stuck on someone who passed away after 1/1/1937, you can ask for their social security application.

i am not sure what record you found as i cannot find that record given the information in your post.

this might be your relatives, but the information doesn’t match perfectly.

Name: Emmitt H Hill
Age in 1910: 14
Estimated Birth Year: 1896
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father’s name: William J Hill
Father’s Birth Place: United States of America
[United States]
Mother’s name: Nancy F Hill
Mother’s Birth Place: Missouri
Home in 1910: Eden, Payne, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William J Hill 47
Nancy F Hill 34
Emmitt H Hill 14
George O Hill 7
America M Hill 3
Albert E Hill 1
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Eden, Payne, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1269; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 0189; Image: 200; FHL Number: 1375282.

when social security came into effect 1/1/1937, people had to file birth certificates or delayed birth certificates to show proof of age. what does your relative’s birth certificate say?

you might start with the death: death certificate, cemetery record, obituary. you can get a copy of the obituary through interlibrary loan. see your local public library for that.