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Allen Family

Tina Follett Tina Follett

posted on February 3, 2011

Im looking for any relatives for the Allen family.. My Dad was Vernon Edward Allen was born in Talihina Ok..I was told he was born on Chocataw resevation..Born in 1941.. His dad was JD Allen and his mother was Lena.. I belive her maiden name was Whitchaneck? He had lots of brothers and sisters one named Sue.. He was given away at 2 to 3 years of age to Roise Rogers Who was married to Ed Partin.. They move to Cali.. I would love to know my ansestry and my back ground..I know Veron has a brith certificate because I saw it at one time..
Thank you Tina Follett

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on February 4, 2011

you should get a copy of vernon’s birth certificate and see his mother’s maiden name and father’s name. this will help you to do genealogy.

the initial’s j. d. are going to be tough to search for, as you have no first name. but it might be on his birth certificate.

then you can try to find j. d. and lena’s marriage certificate.

i often find that it is easier to go from the death records back in time to the marriage and birth. death records: cemetery, obituary and death certificate. the obituary might be accessed through the public library interlibrary loan program. if you have a date and location, this is a big help.

if you get stuck on anyone who passed away after 1/1/1937, you can get a copy of the social security application. this will give you significant dates and locations, people’s names.

the 1900-1930 census records are available through heritage quest or ancestry. see your local public library for access.

the 1940 census will be released in 2012.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:

MOWA tribe
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail:

other choctaw tribes:

texas tribes

oklahoma tribes:

some links for the choctaw.
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Tina Follett Tina Follett

posted on February 7, 2011

Thank you Suzanne…
If Vernon was born in Talihina. Where would I get a copy of brith

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on February 14, 2011

maybe this is him?
Social Security Death Index
about Vernon E. Allen
Name: Vernon E. Allen
SSN: 573-50-4791
Last Residence: 97470 Roseburg, Douglas, Oregon, United States of America
Born: 20 Apr 1940
Died: 25 Oct 2010
State (Year) SSN issued: California (1955)

also the obit:
vital records.

and you can get a copy of his social security application, which might help on dates, locations, parents.