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codycash codycash

posted on January 31, 2011

My mother passed away June 21 2010. her father was Native American. I think she was Choctaw. she was not allowed in the public school. she attended a school in Oklahoma. she attended a school in wyandotte Oklahoma. She went by her fathers name at that time. His name was Allen Terry. (not sure of correct spelling) Her mothers name was Annie Crier, her stepfather name was patrick smith. Mom was born in Walla Walla Washington. she was born march 24 1923. I am at a lost of where to find my grandfather. does anyone have any information on the terry family.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on January 31, 2011

i’m sorry, i can’t untangle the family relations here.
what does it say on your mother’s birth certificate? the marriage licenses for annie crier? mother’s death certificate and obituary?

you note genealogy like this:
annie crier m1 allen terry m2. patrick smith
unnamed female b. 3/24/1923 walla walla county, WA

assuming this:
there is a francis crier on the dawes roll but she was mississippi choctaw and listed as a parent.
i didn’t see her husbands’ names.

she might have been mississippi choctaw, a separate tribe. link is in this post.

you probably know that these are common surnames. and i have the 1920 and 1930 census but i don’t have a child’s name and annie terry/allen is not coming up.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

codycash codycash

posted on February 3, 2011

thank you, for your help. you have given me some place to go that i had not heard of. my mother Dorothy cash, had a very sad childhood. she was born in walla walla Washington. She was told she was born in a vet hospital. according to the sate of washing ton she was born in walla wall hospital. she was told she was adopted, by Patrick smith, that again was not true. his name was on her birth record. she was in a orphanage in Portland Oregon. from age 3-7. I found she was in little house orphanage from age 6-7. she was there as Dorothy smith, her stepfather could not afford to take care of her. she was then brought back to Wagner Oklahoma. she was kick out of the public school, and then she went to Seneca boarding school. I am trying to find her school records. her mother abandoned her and her stepfather remarried and that lady beat my mother. mom completed 6th grade. while in school she went by Dorothy terry. this is just a brief history of my mother. I will go back and look at some of these site you suggested. again that you for any help you can offer me. I feel like I have hit a wall
thanks Cody

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on February 3, 2011

you should try searching for the school names and locations on the internet. that might give you a lead about where to find records for the school.

you will need dates to go with that, along with parents’ names, so that people will know which dorothy smith you are likely talking about.

find the death records first, obituary through the local public library interlibrary loan program. cemetery record and death record.
state vital records office would have many birth, death, marriage records.
i don’t know if you are in washington state on some of this information, but some is available online.
http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/

birth and marriage records are primary records. death record is a primary record of death, but might only be somewhat accurate about birth information.

if you get stuck and they passed away after 1/1/1937, the social security application can often help.
rootsweb.com has a social security death index 1964-present, which can give you dates of birth/death, location of death, and social security #.

gl.