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posted on January 25, 2011 and updated on January 25, 2011

halito
CDIB or not to CDIB…i have known i was native american from the day i was born…lived almost 30 years totally immersed in and part of non-native society..i am now 63..have just put back together the fact my dad’s mom’s family is choctaw, with, indeed, a daughter of capt jeremiah and mary nail folsom being ‘officially’ enrolled…i am literally straddling the fence on applying for a CDIB or just going ahead being me, and being a ‘unofficial’ part of the choctaw nation that i have been totally accepted and welcomed by
would love to hear some ideas from others like me
anumpuli shali/long talker

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suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on January 26, 2011

i think you should enroll and make it easier for your children to enroll. my late husband passed away before he signed the enrollment form. i sent all the stuff in anyway so that his children could enroll.

i am not native, but i think it is very much worth it to know your heritage. maybe you might put together a heritage book for your children, to show them what it means to be native. might be a great gift.

http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/armstrong.html
Captain’s were local mingo’s of a principality, and that those listed under him would have been those in the town or village in which he was over. Though not all of the mixed blood families appeared to have followed the traditions, at that time generally the woman owned the property, and when they married, the man moved to where she lived. I asked the Choctaw Nation’s history teacher about that, someone who was the Mingo of say Chunky would still live where his wife was prior to 1830. When looking at the Armstrong rolls, therefore, it is possible, with a few exceptions, to find possible family connections based on the location and village in which we find the individuals.

With that in mind, note the following town/Village and surrounding area in the Mushulatubbee district …{p75-77 AM State papers, Vol 7}

On Suchenatchka Creek
Capt. Jeremiah Folsom

Jeremiah Folsom was the son of Edmond Folsom and Polly, his wife was Mary Nail, daughter of Joel Henry Nail and Molly Welch. Eve Folsom Pitchlynn Riddle was living with her mother in what would have been traditional land placement. Polly {Mrs. Edmond Folsom}, must have been from this place historically. George Folsom, another son of Edmond and Polly, was married to Martona, unknown parentage. Turner Brashears and Zadoc were married to white woman, all the other Brashears and their relatives seems to indicate this land was through Susanna Vaughn, and her mother traditionally. Israel Folsom was married to Louvica Nail, sister of Mary Nail. Israel Folsom was the son of Nathaniel Folsom, and his wife sister to Miko Push Kush. {also of Mushulatubbee district}

Edmund Folsom5, brother of Nathaniel, also married into the Choctaw Nation and had several children. Not much is known about his family as the records appear not to have been kept as well as were those of Nathaniel’s family.

Jeremiah6 Folsom was one of his children. He was born in Mississippi, and in 1821 married Mary Nail. After he came to the Indian Territory. His family consisted of twelve children, of whom Joseph Pitchlynn Folsom was the oldest. He graduated from Dartmouth College in 1854 and served a part of his life as a teacher among his people. It is said that he began to write a genealogical record of his branch of the family, but he died ere it was completed and it was lost. He married a Seneca Indian, but had no children. A daughter of Jeremiah married James Robinson, brother of Rev. Calvin Robinson.
http://www.marciesalaskaweb.com/folsom2.htm
some pictures here

http://www.folsomfamily.org

http://www.choctawnation.com/history/people/original-enrollees/folsom-emaline/

so i am not like you, but my late husband was.
gl.

some general information:

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto