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Tina Kekoolani Gilman Tina Kekoolani Gilman

posted on December 13, 2010

I am the great granddauhter of john chu chu nelson gilman , please i m in need of info about my great grandfather an indian tribe name chu chu he was the cheif of this tribe and he was called chu chu do you folks have any i dea on who my great grandfather is , and my grandmother actually they say he was english and my great grandmother was indian i beleive he is a indian from nanachez louisiana , i have dates of my great grandfather and his marriage to my first aunty and to my great grandmother after, i am related to him both ways his first wife is nahili and second wife is harriet . please give me info on where my great grandfather is and grandmother thank you

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 13, 2010

no birthdate, no children, in your post. no place of death or date of death. although you have his dates of marriage, you don’t give this information, nor where they were married.

john chu chu nelson gilman m1. nahill m2. harriet

maybe this is your relative?
1900 United States Federal Census
about John Tilman
Name: John Tilman
[John Gilman]
Home in 1900: Shreveport Ward 3, Caddo, Louisiana
Age: 19
Birth Date: Jun 1881
Birthplace: Louisiana
Race: Black
Gender: Male
Relationship to Head of House: Son
Father’s Birthplace: Alabama
Mother’s name: Mary Nelson
Mother’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Nelson 44
John Tilman 19
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Shreveport Ward 3, Caddo, Louisiana; Roll: T623_560; Page: 15B; Enumeration District: 42.

i couldn’t find him in any census after this date.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Tina Kekoolani Gilman Tina Kekoolani Gilman

posted on January 2, 2011

john d. gilman can you find out who is this my great grandfathers name is john d. gilman then he was also john needles his father must of been a chu chu my great grandfather was born in new orleans 1777 august john anthony chu chu needles gilman he goes by the name john d. gilman.

Tina Kekoolani Gilman Tina Kekoolani Gilman

posted on January 2, 2011

i am searching for a chu chu tribe now my great grandfathers mom and dad i am searching for thank you.

Tina Kekoolani Gilman Tina Kekoolani Gilman

posted on January 2, 2011

my great grandfathers childrens were mary needles , julia needles and also louisa brick wood then his second marraige harriet kapu kawahaea the childrens are joesoph needles john needles james needles and harriet needles anthony neddles . please help me find out is my great grandfather a joesoph chu chu from the chu chu tribe ? john anthony gilmans father