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Mississippi Choctaw Rejected

Helene L Ramos Helene L Ramos

posted on August 19

My husband is from both Cherokee and Choctaw decent. Apparently his ancestor Sylvester P Sims and his wife Louisa A Sims applied for enrollment and were given MCR1350 which i understand means they were rejected. Both of their parents died before the rolls were done. Is there anywhere else I can look or is this a dead end? Thank you

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on August 19

you should look up the dawes application.

http://www.ancestrypaths.com/five-civilized-tribes/
Reel 0101 Mississippi Choctaw MCR1337-MCR1453
begins at frame 138
there are several associated cases.

this is an article 14 application.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1940 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed.

you will need to know who the family members were 1830-1940 or so, where they were located. a good way to do this is by census records. the first time period to concentrate on is 1900-1930 because most tribes enrolled during this period. federal census records can help you here. you can get access through your local public library – two databases: 1) heritage quest, 2) ancestry.com.

there is a difference between tribal heritage and tribal enrollment.

http://www.choctawnation.com/services/departments/
click on enrollment department. read the FAQs and download forms.

every tribe has a membership list of original enrollees. every tribe has requirements for membership. the choctaw tribe of oklahoma requires that new members be directly related to an original enrollee of the tribe who was enrolled by blood. freedmen were enrolled by congressional action, not blood, so there is no provision for enrolling a member who is directly related to a freedman because they were not enrolled through tribal blood quantum.

i do not know of a tribe that enrolls on the basis of DNA testing. this is because DNA testing does not identify particular strains for each tribe. DNA testing might be helpful to you, though, because it will give you names of people who match your DNA and you might be able to find a common ancestor. there are a few vendors for DNA tests such as FTDNA, ancestry.com and 23andme.com. i took the 23andme saliva test. once you have DNA results, you can upload those results to gedmatch.com, a free website that has excellent tools to match others who might have taken a DNA test elsewhere. upload DNA result directions are on the right side of the main menu, program choices are in the center, DNA information on how to use the website and understand DNA are on the left side.

do you have your relative’s birth certificate, death certificate. state vital records for that. if the birth was before 1940, also ask for a delayed birth certificate at the same time as you request a birth certificate. older vital records might be at the state historical society or state archives.
do you have their obituary? sometimes it will list parents and siblings. see your local public library/interlibrary loan program for that.
do you have a cemetery record? try findagrave.com or interment.net and then contact the cemetery to see if there is more information.
i start from the death and work backwards in time.

for tribal information, you want to get down to the 1900-1940 time period so that you know family members, locations, dates, and names. this will help you when you try to find the tribe.
there is more than one choctaw tribe. CA, OK, LA, MS all have choctaw tribes.
there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes were on the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma. location is important with tribal affiliation because the original enrollees had to agree to live under the authority of the tribe.
many states have reservations and tribes. state historical society, state archives may have more information on this.

1896 map of the choctaw nation showing districts and counties
use this for looking at location in the choctaw census records in the 1800s
in Indian or Freedman?: Enrollment, Race, and Identity in the Choctaw Nation, 1896-1907
Jesse T. Schreier
The Western Historical Quarterly
Vol. 42, No. 4 (WINTER 2011), pp. 458-479
Published by: Western Historical Quarterly, Utah State University
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/westhistquar.42.4.0459?uid=3739256&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21104532512787

some tribes are still enrolling. the BIA recently relaxed their requirements and there will probably be several tribes that apply under the new guidelines. this means that some tribes may be in the process of applying and enrolling members. you should pursue your heritage in a timely manner because of the possibility that a tribe is trying to construct a list of original enrollees.

find your relative in the 1900-1940 census. this will give you locations, family members, dates that you will need for looking on the dawes roll, taken 1896-1906 in the state of oklahoma/indian territory. the dawes roll lists applicants to the five major tribes of oklahoma. use the accessgenealogy website to do this or ancestrypaths:
http://userdb.rootsweb.ancestry.com/nativeamerican/
get family group/card#, members of the family:
partial surnames ok. just enter the surname.

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/final-rolls.htm
partial names might not be found on this website.

find a possible name, click on the # in the card# column and this will show you the family group as of application. use the 1900 and 1910 census to match the names. write down the names, card#.

if you don’t find your family, then look at the 1900-1940 census locations for your family, look for nearby tribes. contact the nearby tribes to see if your family had enrolled. find out membership criteria for that tribe. there are tribes in other locations and other choctaw tribes. location is an important factor over whether a native enrolled in a tribe. you won’t find that an original enrollee enrolled in the choctaw tribe in oklahoma if they were living in another state, for instance. if your family was renting in 1910, for instance, they had not received a land grant from one of the five major tribes in oklahoma and were probably not enrolled. there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the 5 major tribes are on the dawes roll.

many natives did not want to live under tribal authority or didn’t qualify for enrollment or could not submit satisfactory evidence to a tribe. this is very common. it means that your family is not enrolled in a tribe.

there were a few natives that were enrolled by tribal council approval or lawsuit. i don’t have any way to tell you whether someone was enrolled because of this. you would have to contact the tribe for this information. however, some people have posted this answer and you might be able to use google on your family names and see this.

supposing you find your family in the dawes roll, then look at the oklahoma historical society dawes website and put in the name of someone in that family group that you found on accessgenealogy. this will give you the enrollment # if the enrollment was successful. write down the enrollment #s for your family.

if you found your family on the dawes roll, you might want a copy of the dawes packet. four sources for this:

1) once you have the card#, search here for documents. the website is free at this time:
http://www.ancestrypaths.com/five-civilized-tribes/
arranged by card#. use the slider bar at the bottom to approximate your card#. the packets are arranged in order of card#. usually the beginning document references the card#.

there may be more than one card# for a particular person, depending on whether they were a parent at the time of enrollment.

sometimes a family’s consideration also depends on an earlier decision in their family. so you may have more than one card# to look up.

2) fold3.com is an online subscription resource and one month’s subscription is less than the price of a dawes packet at NARA or oklahoma historical society.

3) NARA http://www.archives.gov fort worth, TX office
4) oklahoma historical society http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

a dawes packet contains census card, enrollment application, supporting documents and maybe testimony. even if your family was not enrolled, the genealogical information might be of interest to you.

the enrolled members are referred to as original enrollees. if your family had enrolled by blood then you are eligible to enroll in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. all tribes have membership criteria. if your family had been enrolled as freedman, then they were enrolled as former slaves and their descendants were not eligible to enroll in the tribe.

the dawes roll shows the applicants to the five major tribes 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma. if your family applied for this, there would be a census card, dawes application, other supporting documents and testimony. these are located at NARA http://www.archives.gov try the fort worth, TX office.

requirements for enrollment for several oklahoma tribes:
http://thorpe.ou.edu/OILS/blood.html
What are tribal membership requirements?

Tribal enrollment criteria are set forth in tribal constitutions, articles of incorporation or ordinances. The criterion varies from tribe to tribe, so uniform membership requirements do not exist.

Two common requirements for membership are lineal decendency from someone named on the tribe’s base roll or relationship to a tribal member who descended from someone named on the base roll. (A “base roll” is the original list of members as designated in a tribal constitution or other document specifying enrollment criteria.) Other conditions such as tribal blood quantum, tribal residency, or continued contact with the tribe are common.

http://www.narf.org/nill/resources/enrollment.htm

enrollment is a two step process. first you have to get your CDIB card from the BIA to show your degree of blood/eligibility to enroll in a particular tribe, and then you have to apply to the tribe for acceptance, if you meet their membership requirements.

Tribal Government personnel, usually an Enrollment Clerk, located at a regional or agency office processes applications for Certificates of Degree of Indian Blood (CDIB) and Indian Preference in Employment, BIA Form 4432, to anyone who can provide documentation that he or she descends from an American Indian tribe.
http://www.bia.gov/WhatWeDo/ServiceOverview/TribalGov/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_recognition_in_the_United_States
this article has many resources.
however i find the paragraph on “Recognition for individuals” to be somewhat insensitive.

i think someone should rewrite that paragraph.

What are the most typical requirements for membership?
Each tribe has a base roll which was established, usually, in the early 20th century, listing the members of the tribe at that time. Your first challenge will be to prove direct lineal descent from someone listed on that base roll. Then
you must prove that you have the required level of blood quantum – the percentage of your genetic make-up that is native by bloodline. Most tribes require a 1/4 blood quantum – that is, you must be at least one-fourth Native
American – but note that the Eastern Band of the Cherokees requires that you be only 1/16 or higher to join, and the Cherokee Nation and Choctaw tribe have no minimum quantum restriction, so long as you can prove descent. There may be other conditions for membership as well: requirements for tribal residency or continued contact with the tribe are common.
http://freedomcenter.org/_media/pdf/genealogy/16.%20Native%20American%20-%20Tribal%20Membership.pdf

choctaw enrollment, forms, FAQs
http://www.choctawnation.com/services/departments/enrollment-cdib-and-tribal-membership/

trail of tears map and MS/AL reservations:
http://www.oursharedfamilyhistory.com/resources/maps/mappg.html

indian territory maps:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~itgenweb/itprojects/census.htm
they need volunteers to help them. contact the webpage owner.
http://www.okgenweb.org/okprojects/xref/help/str-regions.htm

some land records, including freedmen.
http://www.oursharedfamilyhistory.com/resources/helppg.html#hast
as i look at this, i view it as a work in progress, rather than a final index. it is helpful because of the alphabetical listings. includes index to indian pioneer paper interviews. this is a volunteer opportunity also, if you want to help this webpage become complete. contact the owner of the webpage to help them.

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and ancestry.com. fold3.com is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times, their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet. you can google fold3 and your ancestor’s name to see if your relative’s dawes packet is available at fold3.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/final-rolls.htm

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw-indian-research.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/indian-census-records.htm
there is an 1860 and 1885 census in the indian territory

accessgenealogy’s collection of information: if you are from another tribe, use the links at the right.
if you are from an associated tribe, see the several possible links on the webpage.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on rootsweb.com or ancestry.com.
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try findagrave.com or interment.net. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls. ancestry.com and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA (http://www.archives.gov) are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment. some mississippi choctaw were accepted by adoption or lawsuit.

for those people who do not yet have a card, you should research the 1900-1940 census to know approximate dates of birth, birthplaces, family members. this will also tell you if someone is more likely to be on the freedman roll or as applicants to the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma for the five major tribes.

applicants on the dawes roll can be found here:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are ok. look at the guide link for explanation of the codes.

when you find a possible name, then click on the card# in the card column to see the family group. if it is your family group, and they were likely enrolled, then you can search the oklahoma historical society’s dawes roll link to get the enrollment #’s for particular family members.
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

if your family was enrolled by council action early in the process or was enrolled by lawsuit, they might not appear on the oklahoma historical society website. you would have to check with the tribe on that.

even if your family was rejected by the dawes process, you may want the testimony, census card, application information for your genealogical purposes.

the federal census will also help you decide which state to contact for vital records.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

freedmen information:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ewyatt/_borders/
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/F/FR016.html
http://www.african-nativeamerican.com/8-chocfreed.htm
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

Indian or Freedman?: Enrollment, Race, and Identity in the Choctaw Nation, 1896-1907
Jesse T. Schreier
The Western Historical Quarterly
Vol. 42, No. 4 (WINTER 2011), pp. 458-479
Published by: Western Historical Quarterly, Utah State University
Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/westhistquar.42.4.0459
Abstract:
This article examines the standards of tribal membership in the Choctaw Nation (present-day Oklahoma) during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Although forced by the U.S. Congress to make rolls of its members, the Choctaw government willingly used race to trump other considerations when it came to determining citizenship, including long-held cultural practices.

see your local public library/interlibrary loan program for acceess to this article.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family. other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA http://www.archives.gov for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23 RECORDS OF THE COMMISSIONER TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES 1852-1919
75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/075.html
(Record Group 75)
1793-1989

http://gateway.okhistory.org/
this has a search but you may have to read the whole edition of a newspaper to find your search match.
the search term will be highlighted. the newspapers (location and years) are limited, so you might want to search for the location and look at years available.

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.
you can try school records in the oklahoma state archives, the oklahoma historical society and NARA.
http://www.odl.state.ok.us/oar/
http://www.okhistory.org/
these two resources might have historical newspapers and local history books. your public library/interlibrary loan program might also have access to newspapers and local history books.

as for stories, you can see if any of the relatives are mentioned in the oklahoma pioneer papers or oklahoma chronicles.

http://digital.libraries.ou.edu/whc/pioneer/
volumes are alphabetical by surname.
if an interview is not online, contact the host of these interviews.

http://www.okhistory.org/publications/chronicles

as for location for your family, you should look on the federal census 1900-1940 for your family and this will give you locations, family members. your local public library probably has a subscription to ancestry.com and heritage quest.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southeast tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

about blood quantum laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
calculations about blood quantum:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wishawa4/Menominee%20Indians/quantum.htm

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

california choctaw tribe (okla chahta clan of california, inc.)
http://www.oklachahta.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.mowa-choctaw.com/

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html
http://yvwiiusdinvnohii.net/OKTribes.htm

tribes in other locations:
http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/tribal/list-of-federal-and-state-recognized-tribes.aspx

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw-tribe.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw-indian-research.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/indian-census-records.htm

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it. you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

http://www.burlesonstar.net/nationalnews/ci_25815930
changing tribal recognition rules

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw were not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

you may want to make a heritage book.
http://www.photobookgirl.com/blog/make-your-own-family-heritage-and-genealogy-photo-book/

good family tree software:
http://www.techshout.com/features/2013/22/best-free-genealogy-software/
i use legacy. the free basic edition is great for the beginning and helps you organize.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Helene L Ramos Helene L Ramos

posted on August 20

wow that’s a lot of info..thank you….so are you saying that even though they have a MCR number they might have made it on one of the rolls? Because I was told that it was basically a dead end….

Helene L Ramos Helene L Ramos

posted on August 20

i did find the actual app where the dept of interiors determined there was insufficient evidence to prove their choctaw association

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on August 20

helene, you will have to check with the tribe about that.

there were related cases and lawsuits that might have changed the enrollment status. i have no way of figuring that out. it also depended on the timing of the decision because the membership requirements changed over time. some of the MCR classifications were allowed at points of time, some of the MCR applicants were adopted by the tribe. i just have no way of knowing.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Leo Pergson Leo Pergson

posted on August 21

Helene,

You e-mailed me-about- Card No.: MCR1350-

14th Article Citizenship and Dawes Rolls are two separate enrollment criteria/

The Choctaw Nation has an Enrollment Policy "No Choctaw Nation CDIB Application with
an MCR Attached to a Roll Number- However/ 14th Article Citizenship was Compliant upon
a 14th Article Choctaw Removal from Mississippi to the Indian Territories[Oklahoma] Some
were enrrolled on the Dawes Final Rolls- Whether- Identified/or Rejected Dawes Enrollment-
However are Still of 1,923 MCR 14th article claimants there were 880 of the MC/R/ Mississippi
Choctaws/

Start with, does your husband- have vital records showing these MCR-14th Article Claimants
are his direct Ancestors?

Then I’ll Check to see if his 14th Article Ancestors have a 14th Article Roll Card/ that is/
“FOR THE IDENTIFICATION AS MISSISSIPPI CHOCTAW” Signed by a Stenographer/
That would be his 14th Article Ancestors Roll Card “IDENTIFICATION” By Blood-

There are other 14th article Claimants like yourself- looking for some kind of MCR-14th
article Choctaw Nation/ resolves-

However, Start with these things first—

Leo

Native American Data for Lona A Sims

Name: Sims, Lona A Tribe: Choctaw Record Type: enrollment Sex: F Enrollment Type: P (Parent) Card No.: MCR1350

SW National Archives, Fort Worth, Texas,
Dawes Enrollment Cards for its National Archives

Others with this Family:
Surname
First Name
Type
Sex
Age
Blood %
Sims Isham P (Parent) M
Sims Lona A P (Parent) F
Sims Martha E P (Parent) F
Sims Sylvester P MCR (Minor) M 56 1/8 ===
Sims Murbus E MCR (Minor) M 20 1/16
Sims Nora E MCR (Minor) F 11 1/16
Sims Myrtle MCR (Minor) F 5 1/16

Leo Pergson/ et., al., Mississippi Choctaws-

attached:

Helene L Ramos Helene L Ramos

posted on August 21

It won’t let me open the attachment

Helene L Ramos Helene L Ramos

posted on August 21

another question i have….so the choctaw is from sylvester’s mother’s mother….he also supposedly has cherokee on his father’s mother’s side….where would i start looking for that and since he applied for choctaw enrollment would there be nothing for the cherokee side?

Helene L Ramos Helene L Ramos

posted on August 21

correction…he has cherokee on his mother’s father’s side

Leo Pergson Leo Pergson

posted on August 21 and updated on August 21

Helene,

If Cherokee [or] Choctaw- If you find where you believe by Solid Proof/Vital records/ that you are a Direct Descendant of any relations of any member of “Five Civilized” Tribes Connection/ Before starting any-positive American Indian/Native American Relationship research/ make sure you can provide such evidence that Verifies/Identifies/ you and/or your family by blood as a Registered member of the “FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES”

Borne in mind for anyone as a “PROVEN” MC/R/ 14th Article Claimants that these MC/R Cards are 14th Choctaw Nation[S] have “UNIVERSAL” Jurisdiction over the Recognition of a 14th Article Membership Cards/ That the Choctaw Nation[S] has jurisdiction over a 14th article Citizenship Membership by Blood-

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on August 22

all tribes have membership requirements.

http://www.allthingscherokee.com/articles_gene_121100.html

http://www.cherokee.org/Services/TribalCitizenship.aspx

http://www.cherokee.org/Services/TribalCitizenship/Citizenship.aspx
http://www.cherokee.org/Portals/0/Documents/2012/8/31660Application_Instructions.pdf
http://americanindian.net/cherokee.html

the cherokee tribe applicants were also on the dawes roll. so if there was no application made to the cherokee tribe by your relatives, then there would be no original enrollee of the cherokee tribe.

memberships in two tribes:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/choctaw-msldigital/assets/461/cdibfaq_original.pdf

tribal affiliation and tribal membership are two different topics.

suzanne hamlet shatto

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on August 22

all tribes have membership requirements.

http://www.allthingscherokee.com/articles_gene_121100.html

http://www.cherokee.org/Services/TribalCitizenship.aspx

http://www.cherokee.org/Services/TribalCitizenship/Citizenship.aspx
http://www.cherokee.org/Portals/0/Documents/2012/8/31660Application_Instructions.pdf
http://americanindian.net/cherokee.html

the cherokee tribe applicants were also on the dawes roll. so if there was no application made to the cherokee tribe by your relatives, then there would be no original enrollee of the cherokee tribe.

memberships in two tribes:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/choctaw-msldigital/assets/461/cdibfaq_original.pdf

tribal affiliation and tribal membership are two different topics.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Leo Pergson Leo Pergson

posted on August 22 and updated on August 22

HAKLO ANUMPA

Remember- Choctaw Nation(Oklahoma) under Dawes Tribal Membership and 14th Article Membership are compliant on separate Enrollment criteria- Don’t put 14th Article Enrollment criteria under Dawes Final Rolls- The 14th Article Claimant enrollment criteria is under the Mar 10, 1899 McKennon rolls- “IDENTIFIED” Rolls- that was Disposed of by the secretary Mar 1, 1907 Prior to the Mar 4 1907 closing of the Dawes final rolls-

The “TERM” Not to lose PRIVELEGE CHOCTAW CITIZENSHIP was established under 14th Article 1830 Treaty 70 YEARS’ prior to any Federally Recognized Tribes including “Five Civilized Tribes”

Don’t place or Compare Cherokee or any “Five Civilized Tribes” with the 14th article 1830 Treaty to any’14th Article 1830 Treaty “MISSISSIPPI”

DAWES ENROLLMENT APPLICANTS/having no bearing whatsoever on a 14th Article Citizenship in MISSISSIPPI-other than Dual “UNIVERSAL” et., al., Mississippi Choctaws/

Any 14th Article Citizenship Questions should be addressed to Sonya Deaton/Horace Pistubbee- MCR 2040- 14th Article Claimant- 14th Article Choctaw Nation Citizenship #3337- et., al., Members of Oklahoma/Mississippi Choctaws.

rayson allen rayson allen

posted on August 24

This reply is for Helene L Ramos:
The Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma has no minimum of blood quantum required to become a member. However, you must prove you are a direct descendant from an original enrollee on the Dawes Rolls. To be placed on those Rolls, one must have been accepted by the Choctaw Nation Commission operating at that time (1896 – 1906) The MCR classification stands for “Mississippi Choctaw Refused” which means Sylvester P. Sims application (MCR 1350) was rejected. There have been some appeals for MCR recipients but few have been accepted by the Choctaw Nation.
The info on Card MCR 1350 is thus:
Sylvester P Sims, claims 1/8 Choctaw
wife was Lou A Hanna, white woman
Father was Isham Sims, white man
Mother was Martha Ellen(Hatchett)Sims, alleged
1/2 Choctaw, who supposedly was living in Mississippi in 1830 and moved to Texas in 1835.
Testimony taken at Atoka, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory January 30, 1901. This family from Red Rock, Bastrop County, Texas.
NOTE: You may be eligible to enroll in the Mississippi Choctaw Tribe of Philadelphia, Mississippi rather than trying to enroll in the Choctaw Tribe of Oklahoma.

Leo Pergson Leo Pergson

posted on August 25 and updated on August 25

IN ALL DUE CHOCTAW NATION RESPECT-

Sonya Deaton, Being a Choctaw Nation(Enrolled Member- Under MCR-2040- I would like to advise anyone being an MCR-14th Article Claimant- searching for Choctaw Nation (Oklahoma) Enrollment in the “Five Civilized Tribes” In all 14th Article Due Respect- Not to advise Not to share their MCR-14th Article Criteria-but Sonya Deaton being an MCR-14th Article Claimant can ALSO certainly give some real good insight-on MCR-14th Article Choctaws-

Sonya Deaton Choctaw Nation #3337- Enrolled Member of the Choctaw Nation “TRIBE” of Oklahoma/Mississippi Choctaws-

Native American Data for Horace Pistubbee
Name: Pistubbee, Horace
Tribe: Choctaw
Record Type: enrollment
Age: 40
Sex: M
Enrollment Type: MCR (Minor)
Blood %: FULL
Card No.: MCR2040
Roll No.: 816

The Mar 10, 1889 McKennon Rolls/ Although was discontinued by the
Secretary without any Congressional Debate on Mar 1, 1907- However,
of this 1,923 of this McKennon Rolls of which 880 Transferred over Final
Rolls/
-
62nd Congress 3rd Session Dec 2, 1912- Mar 4-1913-Senate Documents Vol 15-
S-Bill 7625-Approved by Assistant Secretary Samuel Adams Apr 22, 1912.
United States Congressional Serial Set-"Relief of the Five Civilized Tribes”
Page-153-
Thus a serious defect was discovered in the proceedings affecting this class of
enrollment cases, but the discovery came too late to be of any value in the
enrollment work. Nor is this all. A few days later, to wit, February 19, 1907, the
decision of the Attorney General of February 19, 1907, was rendered. In the
haste which was made to apply said opinion, it was construed to affect not only
the specific Choctaw and Chickasaw cases mentioned therein, but also numerous
cases in the Cherokee and Creek Nations. The result was that certain persons
who had theretofore been enrolled were stricken off hurriedly, upon the supposition
that an adverse decision was rendered as to them by the United States court for
the Northern District of Indian Territory. Others having analogous cases, but who
had not as yet been placed upon the final rolls, were denied enrollment in the
original decisions based on the same grounds.

5. Census card records in the office of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized
Tribes.—The Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes prepared a card index
of citizenship cases
. The information appearing upon these cards was obtained
from various sources. Sometimes it was noted upon the card directly from the
statements of the applicants, while in other cases it was gleaned from the
typewritten records. Ordinarily there will be found upon a card the names
of the persons comprising a family. The cards consist of three classes:

1. “*Straight " Cards*, upon which were listed those persons having tribal enrollment,
and having a prima facie right to enrollment, and against whom no protest was
made by the representative of the tribes.

2. "Doubtful " cards, on which were placed the names of persons whose cases
were protested by the representatives of the tribe, or where deemed doubtful
because of some defect or defects in the showing, for example, non-residence.
failure to prove Indian blood, etc.

3. "R " cards, upon which were listed the names of persons who either made
no claim to tribal enrollment, or could make no showing to tribal recognition
and right to enrollment. Generally speaking, the people who were listed on
these cards were prima facie not entitled to enrollment.

The letter “R” stood primarily for “rejected” but in the course of a very short
time this list was made to include cards where rejections had not occurred
Probably this series, in its inception, was based upon the *field decision of
Commissioner McKennon
, who, after a brief examination, immediately
rendered a decision which was a mere memorandum of action, being as
follows:" Enrollment Refused.

Some of the persons whose names were listed upon “D” (doubtful) and *"R" ==

  • cards were afterwards found entitled to enrollment, and when
    decisions were rendered in their favor, their names were transferred to straight
    cards* Proper notation was placed upon such “D” and "R cards, showing what
    disposition was made of the cases, and the number of the straight card to
    which their names were then transferred Thus, it may occur in a number of
    cases that there were two cards for one name, but not in the same series.

As the cards are arranged to-day, it will be found that there are separate boxes
for straight cards, the " D " cards, and the" R " cards. To represent the Choctaw
cases there are approximately 6,084 straight cards, 1,009 " D " cards, and
756 " R " cards.

A system of cards was also used to represent the Mississippi Choctaw cases.
I think that there were two series of these cards, one for admitted cases and
one for rejected cases.

There was a class of cases known as “memorandum cases.” I understand that
these cases were kept separate in the Cherokee and Creek Nations. They were
so classified because, while under the act of May 31,1900, the commission
was forbidden to receive or make application for the enrollment of any person
whose name was not upon the tribal rolls, or who had not been admitted to
enrollment by the tribal authorities
; the department required a memorandum
to be made in order that its approval of the action of the commission might be
based upon some definite information
.

From, the foregoing it will be readily seen that the records of the Dawes
Commission are in such a condition that it can be immediately ascertained
what action was taken in any particular case, and the pertinent facts connected
therewith.

In addition such cards show where the records in the case can be found, as
well as all action taken thereon both by the commission and by the department.
—————————
Although, these Two “R” Roll Cards included cards where rejections had not
occurred, in the MCR- Mississippi Choctaw cases, there were two series of these
cards, one for “admitted cases” and one for “rejected cases”

These “R” cards. To represent the “Rejected” Choctaw approximately
6,084 straight cards, “MCR-14th Article Admitted Cases” [1,009 " and D] cards,
and [756 " R " Rejected cards].

As to these cards are arranged to-day, it will be found that there are separate
boxes for “straight cards”, the " D " cards, and the" R " cards. To represent the
Choctaw cases there are approximately 6,084 straight cards, 1,009 " D " cards,
and 756 " R " Rejected Cards. [Two Separate Roll Cards] Of these “MCR-14th
Article Roll Cards- Whereas, there are currently 1,540 now listed in the Choctaw
Nation as “Special MC/”R” Roll Cards"

The MCR/ “R” Cards “For The Identification As Mississippi Choctaws” Enrolled into
the Choctaw Nation “Tribe” Recognized under June 28, 1898, Prior to the Enrollment
into the Feb 8, 1887, “Final Rolls” and the MC/ “R” Enrollment Cards “For The
Identification As Mississippi Choctaws” was in preparation for enrollment into
the Choctaw Nation under Feb 8,1887, which was entirely two different criteria
Cards under MC/“R” 14th Article Claimants for /Enrollment into the Feb 8, 1887/
“Body” of the Choctaw Nation “Tribe”

PROUD 14th ARTICLE OKLAHOMA/MISSISSIPPI
et., al., MEMBERS OF MISSISSIPPI CHOCTAWS

UNDER THE ACT OF JUNE 28,1898/ Curtis Act/“Mixed Bloods” and the act of May 31,1900-
“Full Bloods” 14th Article “CLAIMANTS” under the Treaty of 1866/