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Finding my greatgrandfather

Ashley Robertson Ashley Robertson

posted on September 21, 2010

My Greatgrandfathers name was Raymond T. Lovell, He was married to Rosie Lovell, If anyone knows anthing about them please let me know, Thank you , Ashley Robertson.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on September 21, 2010

no dates, no location, no children in your post. no maiden name for rosie. not sure if rosie is a nickname or a first name.

Raymond T Lovell 50
Rosa Lovell 47
Illa M Lovell 18
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Precinct 3, Cooke, Texas; Roll 2312; Page: 4A; Enumeration District: 16; Image: 319.0.
raymond and rosa were b. AL, parents b. AL. raymond rents a farm. illa was b. ~1912 OK raymond was first married when he was 22 and rosa wass first married when she was 17.
since they were b. OK, you should look at the texas tribes, the mississippi choctaw and the MOWA tribe.
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail:

i don’t knos if they were known by other names too.

1920 United States Federal Census
about Joe A Lovel
Name: Joe A Lovel
Home in 1920: Alluwe, Nowata, Oklahoma
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Birthplace: Missouri
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Spouse’s name: Rosa Lee Lovel
Father’s Birth Place: Illinois
Mother’s Birth Place: Missouri
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joe A Lovel 39
Rosa Lee Lovel 33
Alma B Lovel 14
Artha G Lovel 12
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Alluwe, Nowata, Oklahoma; Roll T625_1478; Page: 16B; Enumeration District: 58; Image: 247.

Texas Birth Index, 1903-1997
about Raymond Franklin Jr. Lovell
Name: Raymond Franklin Jr. Lovell
Date of Birth: 11 Feb 1932
Gender: Male
Birth County: Dallas
Father’s Name: Raymond Lovell
Mother’s Name: Rosie May King
Roll Number: 1932_0005
this looks like a raymond jr. with a rosie.

Household Members:
Name Age
William L Lovell 53
Milley J Lovell 49
Thomas A Lovell 22
Raymond T Lovell 21
Robert F Lovell 19
Luther G Lovell 18
Joe Lovell 16
Lonzy B Lovell 15
Jesse Lovell 14
Ballie Lovell 11
Bessie L Lovell 11
James M Cole 23
Albert E Lovelace 32

Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Justice Precinct 3, Rockwall, Texas; Roll T623_1667; Page: 14B; Enumeration District: 86.
texas vital records

anyone who passed away after 1/1/1937 has a social security application on file and they probably filed a delayed birth certificate to show proof of age.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.

if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto