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Looking for my Great Grandmother's family for Johnson/Evans Tree

Linda McClure Linda McClure

posted on February 4, 2013

I’ve been doing our geneology on Ancestry.com and I’ve come across an 1896 Dawes application App #1349 for Annie Holt. However, not sure if it’s really related to a family member. My Great Grandmother’s name is Mary Jane (Ledbetter) Johnson b.11/2/1876 (d.4/13/1962 Woodward OK) to Frank and Sarah Ann “Sallie” (Holt) Ledbetter in Paris Texas. Sarah Ann Holt was born 4/7/1854 Mississippi and died 7/26/1935 around Dibble OK. Pictures of both Mary Jane and her mother Sarah Ann look very much to be native american descent. Can anyone please help?

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suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on February 5, 2013

tribal heritage and tribal enrollment are two different topics.

you are going back too far in time. the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906 in oklahoma/indian territory. you give common names.

the enrollment process was stopped and started again. so the 1896 applications might give you information but not tribal enrollment information.
This is the index of Cherokees, Choctaw, Chickasaw and Creek found on microfilm M1650 obtained from the National Archives in Fort Worth, Texas. If your ancestor was on the 1896 Cherokee Census they probably will NOT be on this index. This is NOT the 1896 CENSUS. It is an index of people who were NOT recognized by the Cherokee Tribe and subsequently made application to be considered for citizenship.

who is mary jane ledbetter’s spouse? you just give a last name of johnson. who were her children? where was she born? where were her children born. do you have federal census information 1900-1930? what documents do you have?

you seem to give a lot of detail about some information but you are lacking information about how i should find her in the census. you have some very exact dates for sarah but no information about where she lived in between 1854 and 1935.

texas was not on the trail of tears in the late 1830’s. and sarah ann holt was born after the trail of tears in MS. if she was native, she might be mississippi choctaw, a separate tribe.

maybe this is sallie/sarah:

1900 United States Federal Census about Sallie Ledbetter
Name: Sallie Ledbetter
Age: 46
Birth Date: abt 1854
Birthplace: Mississippi
Home in 1900: Township 6, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: F G Ledbetter
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
F G Ledbetter 51
Sallie Ledbetter 46
Rosa Ledbetter 16
Geoge Ledbetter 14
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 6, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: 1849; ; Enumeration District: 0157; FHL microfilm: 1241849.

Texas Marriage Collection, 1814-1909 and 1966-2002 about Sarah Ann Holt
Name: Sarah Ann Holt
Marriage Date: 4 Jan 1872
Spouse: Francis G. Ledbetter
Marriage County: Johnson
Marriage State: Texas
Source: Texas Marriages, 1814-1909

Birth: 1854
Death: Jul. 26, 1935
Dibble
McClain County
Oklahoma, USA

SS/Frank G. Ledbetter

Burial:
Dibble Cemetery
Dibble
McClain County
Oklahoma, USA
on findagrave.com

frank:
Birth: 1849
Death: 1923

SS/Sally A. Ledbetter

Burial:
Dibble Cemetery
Dibble
McClain County
Oklahoma, USA

1880 United States Federal Census about Sally Ledbetter
Name: Sally Ledbetter
Age: 26
Birth Year: abt 1854
Birthplace: Tennessee
Home in 1880: Ellsworth, Logan, Arkansas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Franklin Ledbetter
Father’s Birthplace: Virginia
Mother’s Birthplace: North Carolina
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Keeping House
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Franklin Ledbetter 31
Sally Ledbetter 26
Maggie Ledbetter 7
Oliva Ledbetter 5
Mary Ledbetter 3
Lula Ledbetter 10
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Ellsworth, Logan, Arkansas; Roll: 50; Family History Film: 1254050; Page: 219A; Enumeration District: 096; Image: 0160.

Name: Mary Ledbetter
Age: 3
Birth Year: abt 1877
Birthplace: Arkansas
Home in 1880: Ellsworth, Logan, Arkansas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: Franklin Ledbetter
Father’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Mother’s Name: Sally Ledbetter
Mother’s Birthplace: Tennessee

1910 United States Federal Census about Sallie Ledbetter
Name: Sallie Ledbetter
Age in 1910: 52
Birth Year: abt 1858
1858
Birthplace: Mississippi
[User-submitted-comment]
[Missouri]
Home in 1910: Colbert, McClain, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: F G Ledbetter
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
F G Ledbetter 60
Sallie Ledbetter 52
W H Little 38
Luda Little 17
Clarence Little 12
Jesse Little 8
George Little 6
Marnie Little 4
George Ledbetter 24
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Colbert, McClain, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1261; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 0189; ; FHL microfilm: 1375274.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Holt Albert 0 M MCR495 P
Choctaw Holt Maryann 0 F MCR495 P
Choctaw Ledbetter Frank G 0 M MCR495 P
Choctaw Ledbetter George B 14 M 1/16 MCR495 MCR
Choctaw Ledbetter Rosa B 16 F 1/16 MCR495 MCR
Choctaw Ledbetter Sallie 46 F 1/8 MCR495 MCR
p=parent
MCR=mississippi choctaw refused

you should get a copy of the enrollment application, census card and supporting documents. this would be available from NARA http://www.archives.gov, oklahoma historical society http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes
and fold3.com, an online subscription service. one month’s subscription would be less than the price of the package from the other two resources.

there might also be a dawes application from the daughter, mary jane ledbetter johnson but i don’t know, since the name is common and you give no information about spouse or children.

while the family was rejected for enrollment, the genealogical information in the application might be helpful to you.

there is information about the mississippi choctaw tribe in this post.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1940 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed.

you will need to know who the family members were 1830-1930 or so, where they were located. a good way to do this is by census records.
the first time period to concentrate on is 1900-1930 because most tribes enrolled during this period.
federal census records can help you here. you can get access through your local public library – two databases: 1) heritage quest, 2) ancestry.com.

the dawes roll shows the applicants to the five major tribes 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma. if your family applied for this, there would be a census card, dawes application, other supporting documents and testimony. these are located at NARA
http://www.archives.gov
try the fort worth, TX office.

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and ancestry.com. fold3.com is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times, their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet. you can google fold3 and your ancestor’s name to see if your relative’s dawes packet is available at fold3.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are allowed.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on rootsweb.com or ancestry.com.
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try findagrave.com or interment.net. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls. ancestry.com and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA (http://www.archives.gov) are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
several helpful links for records in the choctaw territory

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

for those people who do not yet have a card, you should research the 1900-1940 census to know approximate dates of birth, birthplaces, family members. this will also tell you if someone is more likely to be on the freedman roll or as applicants to the dawes roll taken 1896-1906 in indian territory/oklahoma for the five major tribes.

applicants can be found here:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
partial names are ok. look at the guide link for explanation of the codes.

when you find a possible name, then click on the card# in the card column to see the family group. if it is your family group, and they were likely enrolled, then you can search the oklahoma historical society’s dawes roll link to get the enrollment #’s for particular family members.
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

if your family was enrolled by council action early in the process or was enrolled by lawsuit, they might not appear on the oklahoma historical society website. you would have to check with the tribe on that.

even if your family was rejected by the dawes process, you may want the testimony, census card, application information for your genealogical purposes.

the federal census will also help you decide which state to contact for vital records.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

freedmen information:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ewyatt/_borders/
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/F/FR016.html
http://www.african-nativeamerican.com/8-chocfreed.htm
http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA http://www.archives.gov for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23 RECORDS OF THE COMMISSIONER TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES 1852-1919
75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/075.html
(Record Group 75)
1793-1989

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

about blood quantum laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
calculations about blood quantum:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wishawa4/Menominee%20Indians/quantum.htm

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html
http://yvwiiusdinvnohii.net/OKTribes.htm

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.
you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Linda McClure Linda McClure

posted on February 7, 2013

Thanks so much for all the information, I really and truly appreciate this. I may be picking your brain after I’ve done some of the things you mentioned.
Here are the answers to some of the questions you asked about Mary Jane (Ledbetter) Johnson:

Mary Jane Ledbetter: b. 11/2/1876 Paris Tex d. 4/13/1962 Woodward OK
Married to: Henry Daniel Johnson in Mansville Indian Territory 12/24/1891 (b3/9/1870 in Choctaw Nation, Indian Terr. – d.6/27/1928 beaver Co. OK)
Children: Effie May; b. 5/13/1893 Mansville, Indian terr.
Annie Drucilla; b.10/27/1894 Naples, Grady Co Okla. D. 1894 same place
Claude; b.5/6/1901 Dibble McClain Co OK
Henry Frank: b.6/14/1908 Dibble McClain Co OK
Zella Rosa: b.5/24/1914 Dibble McClain Co OK
Eunice Beatrice: (my Grandmother) b. 12/27/1916 Dibble McClain Co OK d.12/11/1998 Ft. Supply, OK

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on February 7, 2013

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Johnson Henry D 0 M MCR492 P
Choctaw Johnson Effie M 7 F 1/16 MCR492 MCR
Choctaw Johnson Mary J 23 F 1/16 MCR492 MCR
Choctaw Ledbetter Frank 0 M MCR492 P
Choctaw Ledbetter Sallie 0 F MCR492 P

p=parent
MCR=mississippi choctaw, a separate tribe.

since you have at least two dawes applications, you should probably get a month’s subscription to fold3.com because that would be the cheapest method to get a copy of the dawes application of your family.

see my earlier post about mississippi choctaw tribe links.