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Looking for Roll numbers for my family, although I currently have CDIB/Membership.

Sarah Turner Sarah Turner

posted on September 13, 2012

My name is Sarah Turner, and I currently have my CDIB and Membership through the Choctaw tribe. I need to enroll my daughter as well, but I don’t know how to go about it or get our roll numbers to have them.

My date of birth is 06-22-1990.
My father is William Henry Turner
06-03-1956? !95*?
My mother is Candace Elizabeth Kiser

My indian heritage came from my father’s side only as far as I know. I would like a little more information on that side of the family as well too if anyone has any.
His mother was Ruthie Irene Moseley (may have been Mosley) and father was Elmer Rains Turner. I don’t have positive dates of births/deaths on either at this moment but can get them soon. They also had several other children including my dad. David Turner, Robert Turner, Dean Turner and Susie Turner. I am not positive of these dates of birth either.

Any help, PLEASE?!

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on September 14, 2012

you should fill out a CDIB application first.
read the FAQs.
click on the CDIB application form.

there are no years or locations in your post. the names are common.

maybe this is her:

1940 United States Federal Census about Ruthie Turner
Name: Ruthie Turner
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1922
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Home in 1940: Brogdon, Johnston, Oklahoma
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Sheet Number: 2A
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Household Members:
Name Age
Elmer Turner 24
Ruthie Turner 18
Source Citation: Year: 1940; Census Place: Brogdon, Johnston, Oklahoma; Roll: T627_3300; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 35-2.

maybe this is the same person, maybe it’s a different person:

1930 United States Federal Census about Robert Mosley
Name: Robert Mosley
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1898
Birthplace: Texas
Race: White
Home in 1930: Willis, Marshall, Oklahoma
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Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse’s Name: Hazel Mosley
Father’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Mother’s Birthplace: Tennessee


Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Mosley 32
Hazel Mosley 30
Hugh Mosley 8
Ruth Mosley 3
[3 1/12]
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Willis, Marshall, Oklahoma; Roll: 1915; Page: 1A; Enumeration District: 11; Image: 187.0; FHL microfilm: 2341649.

Social Security Death Index about Elmer R. Turner
Name: Elmer R. Turner
Last Residence: 74525 Atoka, Atoka, Oklahoma
Born: 10 May 1915
Died: 28 Jan 2008
State (Year) SSN issued: Oklahoma (Before 1951) picture
Birth: May 10, 1915
Bryan County
Oklahoma, USA
Death: Jan. 28, 2008
Atoka County
Oklahoma, USA


Elmer Rains Turner passed away Monday evening 8:05pm January 28, 2008 at the Atoka Memorial Hospital in Atoka, Oklahoma. He was 92 years old.

My dad was born May 10, 1915 at Platter, Oklahoma the son of Henry and Callie Turner. He grew up in Bromide and Wapanucka Oklahoma area. He did not finish school but was smart and a hard working man.

Dad worked at the Rock Crusher at Stringtown, Oklahoma for a few years before I was born. He eventually ended up in Lawton, Oklahoma and worked for the Freeman Construction Company for many years and retired there in the mid 70’s.

We didnt get to have a normal relationship with dad. He worked away in Lawton. Mom chose to stay in Atoka. She didnt like Lawton as I found out later that when I was about 2 or 3 yrs old me and my oldest brother Dean and mom we moved to Lawton to be close to dad and his work but mom just could not cope being out there. So as it goes we moved back to Atoka and saw dad on weekends or every other weekend when we was growing up. Lawton was a 3 hr drive from Atoka so some weekends he had to work all day on Saturdays so it didnt make much sense back then I guess to make the 3 hr drive home only to turn around and have to go back early the next day. This way of life also kept dad from having close ties to his own brothers and sisters who lived in Texas. They did come see us though at least once a year we got to see our uncles and aunt Velma was always my favorite (dad’s twin sister).

But us kids do have some fond memories though. I cannot speak for my brothers for they have their own memories but I do know and remember mom didnt drive so on the weekends that dad did get to come home and as long a drive as he had to make he would still take mom and us kids shopping out of town. Sometimes we’d go to Durant,Okla,sometimes McAlister, Okla and sometimes to Ada, Okla. He took us fishing alot. We used cane poles back then. Mom would make a picnic basket and we;d go west of Atoka to Boggy River and sometimes we’d go to a place west of Atoka known for old mining called Strip Pits. Sometimes we’d go north of Atoka to where the Atoka Lake runs over the spillway and we;d fish down there and catch alot of fish and have a fish fry before dad had to leave to go back to Lawton. When the wild blackberries were in bloom he’d take us out to the edge of town and we’d all spend a Sunday afternoon picking those wild blackberries so mama could make her special blackberry pie. Dad loved moms cooking.

Dad was not much for remembering any of our birthdays. He left that for mom. But he worked hard and provided the money for us to have things. But he did remember mine once and brought me home this little stuffed bulldog. Yea that was kinda special to me.

Another fond memory was dad taking us kids swimming. Sometimes he’d take us to the City Lake and sometimes down to Caney where we’d swim in Boggy Creek in the shallow part. Sometimes we’d fish there too but further on up from the swimming hole.

Dad and Mom divorced when I was around 25 yrs of age. Neither one ever remarried but still cared alot for each other. Always remained friends and a certain bond only they knew.

Dad’s children are:
Dean Turner and wife Kay of Cushing, Oklahoma
Susie Kilpatrick and husband Rickie of Tom Bean, Tx.
William Turner of Atoka, OK.
David Turner of Helena, Ok.
Robert Turner of Atoka, OK.

Tim and Tiffany Turner of Longwood, Florida
Jason and Jacob Kilpatrick of Tom Bean, Tx.
Michelle Turner of California
Sarah Turner of Atoka, OKla.
Stormie and Christopher Turner of Lane, Okla.

His twin sister Velma Hickman of Keller, Texas

also 3 great grandchildren and hosts of other neices and nephews most who live in Texas.

Dad was preceeded in death by his mom and dad Henry and Callie Turner

his former wife and mother of his children:
Ruth Irene Mosely Turner (January 10, 2005)

His brothers: Haskell, Dell and Loomis Turner

His sisters: Ora and Dollie

Services will be Thursday, January 31, 2008 at 2:00pm at the Atoka Funeral Home in Atoka, Oklahoma.

Officiating will be Rev. Gene Sluder – who use to run a gas station called the Nu Way Gas Station many years ago in Atoka and before dad would leave to go back to Lawton he’d gas up his car at Gene’s station. We’d all load into the car and go to the Susie Q in Atoka and maybe get a hamburger or an ice cream cone then we’d go to Gene’s Nu Way Gas Station so dad could fill his car up for the trip back to Lawton. Gene always checked dads car over good. So we asked Gene to do dads service.

Interment will be at Green Meadows Cemetery at Atoka, Ok.

Family links:
Henry W Turner (1860 – 1942)
Callie Turner (1876 – 1958)

Spouse: Ruth Irene Mosley Turner (1921 – 2005)

Green Meadows Cemetery
Atoka County
Oklahoma, USA

Created by: Susie~In Loving Memory~
Record added: Jan 30, 2008
Find A Grave Memorial# 24275005

Birth: Apr. 13, 1921
Johnston County
Oklahoma, USA
Death: Jan. 10, 2005
Atoka County
Oklahoma, USA

Ruth had 5 children with her husband Elmer Rains Turner.

Elmer Dean(born Oct. 3, 1944),
Susie Ann(born Aug. 5, 1953),
William Henry(born June 3, 1956),
David Matthew(born Oct. 27, 1958), and
Robert Rains Turner(born Oct.2, 1960).

My mama was a good mother. She did without most all the time to make sure us kids had things we needed. She kept a spotless house considering she had 4 kids at home. Dean was the oldest born 1944 he was already gone and out of the house by the time I was in 2nd grade then mom had 3 more sons born after me.

Mom always made sure we had good lunches packed for school. We got to eat in the lunchroom sometimes but money as tight as it was we took lunches to school most of the time when we was little kids. Mom made sure all our clothes were ironed and not a wrinkle in them.

She always made sure all our birthdays were special.

I remember watching old TV shows with mom like Bonanza which was her favorite and one time mom entered a contest on the TV with KXII television station out of Sherman, Tx and it was a weekly contest to name in order the top 10 TV shows….well she got her entry in and she won that week. A brand new ladies watch. I remember it even today how pretty it was and how thrilled she was to win something.

When all of us kids was little mom had one of those old wringer type washer machines. I remember her using that thing alot. And the clothes were dried on the clothes line outside. She liked hanging her clothes out on the clothes line.

Summer time evenings were fun. We’d go walking after suppertime then later Mom would get out the water hose and spurt all us kids and we had fun then at night she’d sit on the front porch while us kids caught lightening bugs.

Mom made Christmas special too. She had alot of neat Christmas decorations and she loved getting them out and decorating her tables and the windows. It was always fun when we’d load up in dad’s car and go try to find the right Christmas tree to decorate.

Mom did lots of things to make our life better. She was a good moral woman who taught us right from wrong and how to treat people. I love her and I miss her very much.

Mom had many friends in her later life. She enjoyed going over to the Choctaw Center and playing dominoes with her friends there and going on their little planned trips the Choctaws made. She loved working in her yard and she had won yard of the week many times. She really enjoyed going to Sonny’s Grocery every morning for coffee and maybe a biscut and gravey and socializing with her friends who all met there. She was an awesome mom to me.

Survived by all her children:
Dean – Susie – William – David – Robert

Former Husband and father of her children:
Elmer Rains Turner
They divorced when I was in my 20’s but remained friends all through the years and still wrote and called each other and neither one ever remarried.

and also her grandchildren whom she loved very much
Jason and Jacob Kilpatrick
Sarah Turner
Michelle Turner
Tim and Tiffany Turner
Stormy and Christopher Turner

Services were held at the Atoka Funeral Home Chapel on Wednesday January 12, 2005 at 2:00pm

Officiating was Rev. Joe Chappin of First Baptist Church which mom had belonged for many many years.

Pallbearers were:
Steve Hyatt, Jim Gibbs, Danny Delay, Steve Mansell, Jerry Estep, Harold Delay, Robert Turner, Arnold Ables, Bill Allen and Kent Studdert

Family links:
Elmer Rains Turner (1915 – 2008)*

*Calculated relationship

Green Meadows Cemetery
Atoka County
Oklahoma, USA

ok, this gives you a place to start.

1930 United States Federal Census about Elmer Turner
Name: Elmer Turner
[Elener Tumey]
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1916
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Race: White
Home in 1930: Brogdon, Johnston, Oklahoma
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Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father’s Name: Henry W Turner
Father’s Birthplace: Georgia
Mother’s Name: Callie L Turner
Mother’s Birthplace: Texas


Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Henry W Turner 69
Callie L Turner 54
Loomis R Turner 24
Haskell C Turner 22
Dell Turner 19
Elmer Turner 14
Velma Turner 14
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Brogdon, Johnston, Oklahoma; Roll: 1908; Page: 1A; Enumeration District: 2; Image: 9.0; FHL microfilm: 2341642.

texas and georgia indicate that it is likely that they were mississippi choctaw, if they were choctaw. most mississippi choctaw were not enrolled in the oklahoma choctaw tribe.

Name: Callie L Turner
[Callie L Tumey]
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Texas
Race: White
Home in 1930: Brogdon, Johnston, Oklahoma
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Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: Henry W Turner
Father’s Birthplace: North Carolina
Mother’s Birthplace: North Carolina

callie’s maiden name might be steelman.

i am just following records that others found about your family. there might be family tree records on and rootsweb is a free website and they have worldconnect records and messageboards for tribe, location, surnames. ancestry is a subscription website but they also have family trees.

1920 United States Federal Census about Calaforna F Turner
Name: Calaforna F Turner
[Calaforna F Warner]
Age: 44
Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Texas
Home in 1920: Brogdon, Johnston, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Henry W Turner
Father’s Birthplace: South Carolina
Mother’s Birthplace: United States
[United States of America]
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry W Turner 58
Calaforna F Turner 44
Dollie M Turner 16
Loomess R Turner 14
Haskel C Turner 12
Belle Turner 10
Orah L Turner 8
Velma Turner 4
[4 9/12]
[2 2/12]
Elmer Turner 4
[4 4/12]
Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: Brogdon, Johnston, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1464; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 80; Image: 697.

1910 United States Federal Census about Callie Turner
Name: Callie Turner
Age in 1910: 34
Birth Year: 1876
Birthplace: Texas
Home in 1910: Township 5, Bryan, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Henry Turner
Father’s Birthplace: Texas
Mother’s Birthplace: Texas
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Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Turner 49
Callie Turner 34
Jim Turner 17
Joseph Turner 14
Dollie Turner 7
Lumer Turner 5
Carson Turner 2
Ladell Turner 2/12
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Township 5, Bryan, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1244; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 0023; Image: 177; FHL microfilm: 1375257.

Social Security Death Index about Joe Turner
Name: Joe Turner
SSN: 445-22-3427
Last Residence: 74728 Broken Bow, Mccurtain, Oklahoma, United States of America
Born: 19 Nov 1895
Died: Aug 1983
State (Year) SSN issued: Oklahoma (Before 1951)

so if the family was enrolled, joe/joseph would have applied for enrollment.

there is no joe/joseph turner who applied for enrollment to the five major tribes in oklahoma 1896-1906.

so then you have to look at where they lived 1900-1940 and see if there were nearby oklahoma tribes. there are 63 tribes in oklahoma.

i don’t know if this is your relative:
1890 – 1907

COPYRIGHT 27 APR 1992 Mary Kinard

Printed here with the Permission of J.D. Kinard and family for your personal use


FIVE FEDERAL COURTHOUSES IN CHOCTAW NATION AT – ATOKA, ATOKA CO. OK, get copy of marriage from LDS Library BR – DURANT, BRYAN CO. OK. get copy of marriage from Durant Lf – POTEAU, LEFLORE CO. OK get copy of marriage from Poteau Mc – McALESTER, PITSBURY CO. OK get copy of marriage from Indian Archives OKC WIL – WILBURTON, LATIMER CO. OK you may be able to get copy from Muskogee Ok CODES USED un – NOT USED nr – NO RETURN er – ERROR col – COLORED


i don’t find a 1900 census record. you will have to try to find them, using birthdates and birthplaces.

turner is a very common name.

California L “Callie” Steelman
Birth 2 January 1875 in Texas, USA
Death 28 October 1958

1896 30 Apr
Age: 21

Marriage to Henry W Turner
Gray County, Texas, USA
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00036-6 System Origin: Texas-EASy Source Film Number: 1290417 Reference Number: item 1 bk N p 88
i am not familiar with this citation, but texas vital records probably can help you get a copy.

1880 United States Federal Census about C. L. Steelman
Name: C. L. Steelman
Age: 5
Birth Year: abt 1875
Birthplace: Texas
Home in 1880: Precinct 1, Upshur, Texas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: G. W. Steelman
Father’s Birthplace: North Carolina
Mother’s Name: S. M. Steelman
Mother’s Birthplace: Texas
Neighbors: View others on page
Cannot read/write:


Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

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Household Members:
Name Age
G. W. Steelman 35
S. M. Steelman 32
B. A. Steelman 9
J. W. Steelman 7
C. L. Steelman 5
G. W. Steelman 3
M. J. Steelman 1
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Precinct 1, Upshur, Texas; Roll: 1330; Family History Film: 1255330; Page: 418B; Enumeration District: 111;

Henry W Turner
Birth 1860 in Georgia, USA
Death 1942 in Wapanucka, Johnston, Oklahoma, USA

their son jim might have been born before they were married?

Gray County Clerk
Pampa, TX
phone 806. 669. 8004

for ruthie, you might have to look for a social security application, which will list specific dates and locations. then you can get a birth record for her.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1940 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed.

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:

social security application for a deceased person:
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet, however check with accessgenealogy’s database to see if your relative’s dawes packet is exists or is available at fold3.
partial names are allowed.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on or
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try or ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls. and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA ( are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment

2 ways to search:
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
other resources are NARA

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
(Record Group 75)
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
some obituaries:

NARA federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

about blood quantum laws:
calculations about blood quantum:

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:

MOWA tribe
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail:

other choctaw tribes:

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
oklahoma historical society
marriage records

other historical societies:
some oklahoma genealogical societies:

texas tribes

oklahoma tribes:

some links for the choctaw.
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
see the menu at left. you can download it.
you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page

and this might be of interest to you:
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Sarah Turner Sarah Turner

posted on September 21, 2012

That is my family!

What do I need to put down as my roll numbers/dawes numbers? I am completely oblivious to all of this, as you can tell.

Amber Riddle Smith Wooten Amber Riddle Smith Wooten

posted on November 17, 2013


If you already have a CDIB card and Tribal Membership Card then all you have to do is fill out the Tribal Membership application for each child. This application comes from the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma office in Durant, OK. Fill it out and submit it to the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma office…that is what one lady told me when I called…I’m also getting cards for my kids…

If you already have a CDIB card then all of the work has already been done and your relatives names and numbers should be on the Dawes Rolls at